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Chancel Repair Liability is Fun
I am a member of a P.C.C. we have our quarterly meeting coming-up. CRL is on the agenda as members have been informed we MUST register liable property or become ourselves responsible for not doing what we have been instructed to do. One of two things will happen at the meeting; either all P.C.C. members will resign with immediate effect, or, a decision will be taken to spend our Common Fund assessment on solicitor's fees, doing the work which we do not understand how to do ourselves. How do either of these two actions help the C.of E? I can see this happening nationwide! Serve 'em right!
I have just been made aware of this religious tax. So I wrote to the Archbishop( who said just accept it and pay up) my MP( who refered me on to the Chancelor and the Justice secretary) and the PCC(who have refered me on to the archdeacon) in the area I wish to move to.
Sad to report it was a complete waste of time effort and a stamp. They simply confirm all the negative comments as above. The get out is we all must insure ourselves against the ravages of a jelous god, wheather we believe or not.
The government and the Church have got us screwed.One way or another we are all going to pay for the disgusting habits of other people, so they can have a nice warm building to worship the invisible man up in the sky who watches our every move and will send people like me who think its all b*****s ,to imagenary place called hell where I will burn and suffer for my sins for all eternity.
Liked the artical though, it did raise a smile, a bit like the fella who claimed that if rape was inevitable, relax and enjoy it . Think I know what he was getting at!!!
dawesy
This CRL issue is now back in The Church Times, as well as the Daily Telegraph.As a former member of a PCC, I can only suggest that if any PCC is required to impose CRL on some unlucky home-owner, then a mass resignation should take place. That will effectively prevent this draconian law from being enforced. If enough PCCs resign, then, just maybe, the Church as a body will wake up to the reality of the injustice of this law. Perhaps we need another AMOS to deliver a message to the powers-that-be about justice and fairness
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Chancel Repair Liability is Fun
Annie Milanski: I'm afraid that's probably one for a qualified legal professional to comment on!
D S Hellier: An interesting point about the Charity Commission, I hadn't considered that aspect. To clarify for other readers, my understanding is that each church is run by a PCC, each PCC is a charity in the eyes of the law, and as such the members of the PCC are //personally// liabile should they fail to act in the financial best interests of the charity - in this case, to chase chancel repair liability. This makes the position of a PCC who is registering liabilities a bit more understandable.
However, in 2007 the legal advisory commission of the Church of England did apparently advise PCCs that they could cite [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harries_v_Church_Commissioners_for_England|Harries v Church Commissioners]] as a way of avoiding the registration, because by doing so they would alienate the community and harm the charity more in the long-run. They also note that Lord Scott in Cantlow v Wallbank [[http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200203/ldjudgmt/jd030626/aston-1.htm|said]], "Trustees are not always obliged to be Scrooge." That said, it feels like the church could have been more supportive of PCCs - perhaps seeking a special agreement with the Charity Commission concerning this unique issue, whereby it would indemnify any members of a PCC which waived its right to chase chancel repair liability.
In response to your second comment regarding the amount due to the church, I had actually forgotten all about compulsory tithes when I wrote that sentence! My point was more that the medieval church made a link between donations and the likelihood of going to hell - quite explicitly in some cases, such as paying for indulgences - and the population believed it because that was all they knew. In that context, chancel repair liability may have made a bit more sense. My comment was intended as hyperbole, to highlight the contrast with today where only 15% of the UK population regularly goes to church, 30% don't believe in the christian god at all, and I would imagine that the number of people who believe that you can literally buy your way into heaven could be counted on one hand.
Reading your article again there is one glaring mistake in the fourth paragraph. The amount due to the church was not 9/10ths but 1/10th.
I would like to make the point that that it is the secular Charity Commissioners who have forced the Church of England to take this position. The Commissioners have stated that if the Parochial Church Council does not take action then any subsequent repair costs to the chancel, where there is a liability and the PCC do not register that liability, will have to be borne by the members of the PCC. Each church has a PCC and the members are all members of that church. They are responsible for the governance upkeep and dat to day runnong of the chhurch.
What happens if an old property is not registered with the land registry ? (ie we have the deeds for it.)
If we want to register it, in a new name, is it best to wait until after 2013 ?
Why the London olympics will suck
The people running the UK seem to shun just about everything British, including the flag. Did you know you technically need planning permission to fly the flag? Have you ever heard of something so ridiculous? Perhaps the Olympic design team failed to secure permission from the pencil necks to fly the flag on the bodies of the athletes.
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Chancel Repair Liability is Fun
I agree with Rev Hawthorne -. it is monstrous that the church should enforce this rule and impoverish people.The Anglican parish church to which I belong is funded by the entirely voluntary giving of its members and friends
A requirement to pay for repairs to a religious building, when one does not belong to that denomination or that religion, is arguably in conflict with another law, that of religious discrimination. I don't think the relevant equality legislation was in force in 2003, but anyone facing these ungodly demands for payment now might try using it as a defence. If you're C of E, take care to undergo a conversion first, to any old religion - or any new religion - or none. And I would hope everyone facing such a demand for payment will protest as publicly as possible, preferably on the steps of St Paul's.
As I am buying a house for the first time in 20 years I have become aware of this issue and googled to this article. What a joke.
I believe that the ancient law giving all citizens the right to trial by combat has not been repealed either. So if the vicar wants me to repair his walls and foundations then he had best sharpen his sword.
How to lose a customer
Ouch, that's pretty nasty - you have my sympathy!
Just thought I'd let you know, that EBuyers process of incompetence doesn't end at the ordering phase.
I ordered a motherboard from them just under a year ago, it arrived and has been working until October 11, whereupon the broad refused to boot correctly following a routine system restart for an update.
Twice the board went back to them, and twice came back "No Fault Found" on the second return, the board which was only partially damaged when returned to them would now not even attempt to start let alone go into the post phase.
After yet one more return, and several phone calls to their 10p per minute support line, I have now been accused of damaging the board myself and they are using that as an excuse, unless I can prove they damaged it.
Needless to say I will not be dealing with these charlatans again.
Chancel Repair Liability is Fun
Ian: That sounds about right for a solicitor - they charge for everything, which is fair enough. If you want liability insurance, your options would seem to be to buy it from someone else, or to try to find a cheaper solicitor. Sadly though, these sort of fees are often just the hidden price of buying a house.
First title will only sell through a solicitor. My solicitor wants to charge £60+VAT as an intermediary for buying it. What is the way around this? This whole thing seems like a gravy train for someond!
On researching CRL I discovered that the area where I live was granted an ancient charter dating back to the 17th century. Amongst the entitlements is one which gave the people of the area freedom from taxtaion. I bet I cant enforce that on today or perhaps it still stands, that would be great.
Ubuntu 11.04 classic and separate x sessions
Ah, what a farce. I'm still running 11.04 so I can at least have this half-broken system. I'm trying out lubuntu and xubuntu, but think I may end up giving up with those and making the switch to awesome - I hear that has fantastic multi-monitor support.
Thanks for the hints. Have the same problems for month, and can't fix it. Please note that Gnome3 is also totally crapped and doesn't even load with two separate X screens. The developers say in Bugzilla that nobody needs this and you have to stick with TwinView (which causes ugly tearing in videos for me and makes XBMC unusable)